"We’re joined from Berlin by Hans-Jakob Schindler, who is Senior Director of the Counter Extremism Project...'We did have cases where conspiracy theorists – and this is the category which he most fits into – had tried to perpetrate violent acts in Germany. There were attempts to abduct a federal minister last year. But this is a very odd and very specific combination of ideological narratives here, anti-Islamic hatred for Germany that protects him, hatred for the Saudis.'"